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Love for LiveURLs [Apr. 24th, 2006|09:50 pm]
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LiveURLs opened to a very, very lukewarm response last week.  We got a lot of good feedback.  toufeeq has summarized the feedback.  As he mentions, the biggest lesson we learnt from the release was that, a product is as effective as its marketing.  But first things first, we need a name for the project to strike a chord with the users.  LiveURLs just does not make the cut.  People do not have the time to read the project description to find out what the extension does. 

The only requirement is that the name should convey what the extension lets the user do i.e. generate links to user selected portions of webpages.  Listed below are a few suggestions (in no particular order) that we have received over the weekend:
  • web-marker (mewpsych - this one is a very very apt suggestion.  Thanks a ton :))
  • zillaurls
  • snippet
  • snip'it (surprisingly mahendra and mewpsych suggested the same name)
  • fraglet
  • frag-meant - (the fragment that I meant!!!! Rajesh Balakrishnan's (RB) play with words rocks)
  • frag-mark - It also has the in-built "Agmark" stamp of approval ;-) Another gem from RB.
  • pagelet
  • snipurl
  • selection-url (via Nitin. Thanks buddy. Nice straight-forward one)
  • fragment-links
  • snippet-links
  • urlhere (by nearfar)
  • linkhere (based on nearfar's suggestion :))
  • linkit
  • linkthis
  • herelinks (again based on nearfar's 'here' suggestion :))
  • By bhuvanbk
    • shareurl/sharelink
    • oururl/ourlink
    • openurl/openlink
    • connecturl
  • By rfc9000
    • clipit
    • cliplink
    • sublink
    • subaddress
    • subURL
  • By anonymous
    • fraglink
  • By thanix
    • snipurl
    • sniptext
  • By Shanmugavel Mani
    • URL it!
    • CustomURL
    • CustomizedURL
    • MyURL
    • Make[My|Ur]URL
    • Define[Your|My]URL
    • RenderURL
    • GenerateURL
The above list will be updated with suggestions in the comments.  Preference would be given to names which try to capture both the fragment and link semantics.  We owe the best name a treat.
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Comments:
From: nearfar
2006-04-24 07:45 pm (UTC)

1 paisa from my wallet ..

I would discourage using names like snippet, snip'it, etc. as they do not correspond to `the *whole* page, pointing to specific section(s) in it`. Let it also be the name (noun) for this new kind of url, that has the fragment in it. But let not the user wonder about what a "fragment" is. Let alone technical jargon ...

What about "urlhere"?
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-25 03:49 am (UTC)

Re: 1 paisa from my wallet ..

That was a good suggestion. We'll keep it in mind. Updated the post with some more similar names. The word 'here' is nice. And the idea of making it a noun also makes sense.
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[User Picture]From: mewpsych
2006-04-25 06:06 am (UTC)
Frag-meant is awesome!
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-25 06:12 am (UTC)
Seriously. You should actually see Rajesh coming up with stuff like this. Awesome he is. Another gem of his was to refer to Toufeeq Hussain and me as TH&NKS. It looks like thanks :) He is our college department senior by 11 years and knows Uma Maheshwari ma'am et. al very well.
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-26 08:16 am (UTC)
One more gem from RB -

I was think of "frag-mark".

It also has the in-built "Agmark" stamp of approval ;-)
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-26 08:03 am (UTC)
Added your suggestion about web-marker. Sounds great :)
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[User Picture]From: bhuvanbk
2006-04-26 04:44 am (UTC)
Let me suggest couple of names :)

* shareurl/sharelink
* oururl/ourlink
* openurl/openlink
* connecturl

The concept of sharing the url is more receptive. The extension let users to share the portion of url. Hope it helps.
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-26 05:05 am (UTC)
The concept of sharing the url is more receptive
Yeah. share is a nice term. Thanks a lot for the suggestion :)

The extension let users to share the portion of url
share the portion as a url you meant?
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[User Picture]From: bhuvanbk
2006-04-26 05:09 am (UTC)
LiveUrl creates a url associated to the selected content and lets the user to share the url. The receiver can access the url, thus the selected portion/content is highlighted.
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From: toufeeq
2006-04-26 06:31 am (UTC)

Zilla-Urls

I'm still in favour of zillaurls.

Zilla : 'zila' a small territory, word is common to most indian laguages. In our case it's misspelled and is to be pronounced with the local tamil slang, 'jilla'.It will also reflect the Mo-"zilla" part, getting us in favour with the Mozilla community.
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-26 06:33 am (UTC)

Re: Zilla-Urls

Oops. I forgot to add this one. zillaurls should have been there in first place :)
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From: toufeeq
2006-04-26 07:51 am (UTC)

Re: Zilla-Urls

Thank you. :)
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[User Picture]From: rfc9000
2006-04-26 05:48 pm (UTC)
Friended you.

Interesting idea/project this.

I'm bad with name suggestions. To give an example, we have a band in our college, and we've been performing at shows for the past 2 years, and we still dont have a name for our band!

With that disclaimer, I could think of the following names:
- clipit
- cliplink
- sublink
- subaddress
- subURL
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-04-27 03:15 am (UTC)
Friended you.
Me too.

Thanks for the suggestions :) Added them to the list. We should be finalizing on the names by this weekend. 'sub' and 'clip' are nice words to ponder upon.
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From: (Anonymous)
2006-05-12 06:55 pm (UTC)
subURL is a very good suggestion

-Jagan
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-05-13 01:48 am (UTC)
Thanks da Jagan :)
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From: nearfar
2006-05-02 06:31 am (UTC)
While reading lengthy web pages, it is common for us to mark a line in middle, only to come back and resume reading it. LiveURLs could make this easier, combined with browser bookmarks.
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-05-02 06:39 am (UTC)
:) Like an actual bookmark that we use for books. Sure, we've been thinking on those lines. We need a robust way to locate the position with a nice UI to go with it. The issue with using just the plain LiveURLs would mean that the user has to select sufficient amount of text to mark the location. If we just use the co-ordinates or the DOM offsets, the danger of the page's content changing is there.

One way out is to mimic text selection intelligently without the user's knowledge and generate a LiveURL.
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From: nearfar
2006-05-02 06:42 am (UTC)
Also note that, firefox (and most browsers) remembers the exact (scroll) location in a page, when you "go back" to it. May be, you can find out that mechanism.
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From: (Anonymous)
2006-05-04 05:46 pm (UTC)
How bot FragLink
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[User Picture]From: knutties
2006-05-05 03:37 am (UTC)
Thanks :) We'll keep that in mind. We are currently working on an extension that functions as a marker pen for the web using LiveURLs. We are planning to call that web-marker. As for a name to the URLs itself, we are still undecided :)
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-02-03 05:23 pm (UTC)

Interesting post

Your article is very informative and helped me further.

Thanks, David
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From: seandell
2007-04-21 04:06 am (UTC)
Our band does a lot of promoting thru myspace and found this great tool to automate e-mails and friend requests. We have increased our attendance at shows and received a lot more listens.
Anyway you can get a free version at
http://www.myfriendbuilder.com/
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